Gurglings of a conflicted mind, an exploratory post.
I read this book, and it’s haunting me. It’s about a Navy SEAL team that went on a reconnaissance mission in Afghanistan. The team was compromised by local goat herders, who they allowed to live…to their own detriment. The goat herders presumably alerted the Taliban and a battle ensues. Four U.S. SEALs vs. 120 Taliban members. Not good odds…and only one member survived (obviously the author), thanks to his teammates’ continued efforts to fight once they were wounded, his lieutenant’s bravery, his own training (and bravado), and, surprisingly, Afghan villagers. The gunfight and subsequent deaths of Luttrell’s comrades is horrifying and stays with you long after you’ve read and reread the passages. (It reminds of how I felt after watching Bagdad E.R.)
It’s a timely read, too, as U.S. forces are again starting to concentrate their efforts in Afghanistan. This book sparked an interest in me to find out more about the Taliban, the complexity of war, and our troops’ experiences. Luttrell was tortured by the Taliban for a day or so, but never goes into exactly what that entailed and it wasn’t clear to me how he escaped. I have read a lot about torture techniques lately, and I can only imagine what they might’ve done to an American soldier (and a Special Ops guy at that).
Here’s the rub: Luttrell is no fan of liberals. He seems to be right wing all the way (a paraphrase: We were going to Afghanistan to do God’s good work on behalf of the U.S.A. and our commander-in-chief, George W. Bush). Especially in the beginning, before I had a chance to become engrossed in Luttrell’s story, I was furious. Obviously, I am left wing so of course I disagreed with nearly every one of his stances (the propaganda of the “liberal” media, how liberals have bleeding hearts but no good sense…). More than that, I was irritated that Luttrell took so much time taking swipes at liberals that it distracted me from such a compelling story.
The thing is, I think liberals should read it. Yes, we know all the bullshit things that are said about “lefties,” and Lord knows we have all bemoaned the audacity of the right, but having read the whole book, I understand the right-wing stances a lot more. I even have begun to rethink my own stances. Luttrell says once diplomacy is exhausted and you send the military into combat that we as the American public should give them free reign to fight the battle they are there to fight. As in the Taliban doesn’t adhere to the Geneva Convention rules, while Americans do, and this creates problems in the field. For example, the team in the book was compromised by goat herders and the military reasoning would suggest that if these guys wanted to live, they needed to prevent the goat herders from leaving…whether by restraining or killing them. Okay, easy enough. Tie the goat herders up and be done with it, but these guys weren’t expecting to be compromised and they had no way to simply restrain the goat herders. (The dilemma is much more clearly articulated in the book.) They let the goat herders go, in part for fear of being charged with murder once the liberal media got wind of it. Look. When I read that, I was like, wtf, dude. These were unarmed civilians. There’s a clear ethical path to take.
But then our soldiers’ heads and bodies got blown up, the Taliban fired several rounds into the faces of death soldiers just for kicks, and this made me physically ill. Because I realized this: the goat herders lives were not more important than those soldiers’ lives. Three goat herders for the lives of soldiers. I sound fucking right wing, I know, but I am angry. I think there should be more freedom to fight battles the way enemies do. I don’t agree with having no oversight…I mean there has to be some rules. I have no idea how war should work. In situations where America is in a battle (even if the “reason” we’re there is insane), I would prefer that our soldiers (who are there to serve whether or not they agree with the reason(s) we’re there) live versus the “enemy.” I’ve come to see that’s where Luttrell is coming from…that war is his life and his teammates are his family. Or something like that. He’s passionate and he has a right to be.
But back to the clear ethical path. The team was unable to make radio contact with their headquarters once they were compromised. They were on their own and keep in mind, their pickup was preplanned for several days later. No one was coming to get them early and high-tail it out of there before havoc ensued. It was their lives or the herders. And Luttrell wonders, was it the “right” choice in the end? He makes a good point: the American public doesn’t really want to know what has to be done in order to fight wars or win battles. Or more honestly, Luttrell has me pegged: I don’t necessarily want to know what happens until after the fact, until after it’s lost its reality, until it becomes a story instead of the here-and-now. It’s gruesome, but someone has to go out there and figure out where Taliban officials are and even kill them if need be. Why does it make sense to me that blood will run no matter what? I am so conflicted about feeling gun-ho about war tactics. My stance is, apparently, just this: do what you do. It’s all so ugly and once I start to imagine what it must be like to have your thumb blown off or half your skull ripped away and still be alive and know you’re dying, I can’t un-imagine it. So maybe it’s better for me not to see it in the first place.
For all these thoughts in my head, I still have absolutely no doubt that American soldiers were sent into harm’s way before diplomacy had been exhausted where Iraq was concerned. The Taliban and Afghanistan were trumped by Iraq and it’s inexcusable that American soldiers have been murdered so that public cheer for the war on terror would rise again. Soldiers were murdered for and by distraction. And President Bush and the rest of us will be frantically trying to scrub the blood stained on our hands forever.
Anyway, if you can stomach the right-wing rants and the blood and guts, you might give this a go. Or you can refer back to my scathing review of Luttrell’s book as I was reading the first part of the book: https://medicatedlady.wordpress.com/2009/03/29/we-had-an-idiot-as-president-gods-wicked-sense-of-humor-exposed/ That post was not exploratory; it was decisive….I think I felt as left-wing as he is right-wing. And now that it’s marinated, look how my thoughts scatter. I’m my own personal clusterfuck of ideas.
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May 1, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Jade
This post totally has me thinking. I don’t think I could read this book. It would be to real for me. I do believe that war should have some rules. The problem with that is that most of the people that are making the rules have never been to war. They don’t know what it’s like to be in that moment and have to decide whose life is more important, mine or yours, I’m sure they would decide theirs. You stated that the American public doesn’t want to know what has to be done to fight a war. This is so true. I think alot of people have this idealistic thought of war, but in the end it is a hard, painful experience that our soldiers are dealing with every day and will so for the rest of their lives. So in the end, the rules can’t exist. This is war not a sport. It saddnes me that these men lost their lives to save a goat hearder. Whose life do you think their family would have chosen?
May 1, 2009 at 6:37 pm
lamarj72
You know, there are always two sides to every story. Any book that makes you think is worth a read.
Thanks for the recommendation!
May 4, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Lisa
This was the most incredible book I have ever read. I am an army brat and was raised God, country, family. The only thing that I can say that this is the most moving book you will ever read.
May 4, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Greg
I read the book a while back – I’m a South African with little to no US politics interest btw..
First , I was sorely tempted to put the book down within the first chapters given the political and religious ranting but I was on a long flight so on I went.
The most striking questions for me were: (a key point first is that I would never even question in hindsight their decisions if it wasnt for the self righteous ranting)
1. You’re allegedly the elite of the elite – strong resourceful etc etc – yet your only options for 3 goat herders were kill or release ? With all the kit I’d imagine a few restraints and gags could have been fashioned..
2. Even when you had decided on release , I cant imagine even a boyscout would think remaining anywhere near the current location was the way to go.
3. When sending in the rescue mission , would you really hover a helicopter low level over the exact same location where you sent in the original team,while you offload the rescuers? (an RPG was fired up the offload ramp)
4. A final very minor query but it irked me.. When going through the over elaborate decision whether or not to take a sniper shot on an individual , describe the difficulty of the shot and how target is hit between the eyes with a sniper round- how does he fall off the cliff and still scream all the way down ?
The logical response would have been an extraction immediately (from an alternate location) on being compromised as even killing the herders was not going to avoid detection for much longer.
None of this is intended to detract from the soldiers efforts and sacrifices whom I have huge respect for. Its the religious and political fanatic tone of the book that prompted my queries. The story is indeed a moving one and a miraculous account of bravery and survival. I do feel strongly though that the only question to arise from so many dead elite soldiers is about liberal rules of engagement and not the military tactics used.
May 5, 2009 at 8:00 am
medicatedlady
Lisa, it is a moving story and one that deserves the attention it’s getting. I would never question how remarkable it is.
Greg, I had many of the same questions you had. Those first few chapters were really difficult for me to stomach. Like you, I slogged through it and it ended up being a fascinating read. Similarly, I really do have respect for the decisions that were made in the field and have to believe that they did what they felt was the best option at the time. Not only that, Luttrell has suffered tremendous loss–I think putting the first chapters in context with that suffering help to mitigate the right-wing rants. I would sincerely hope that he finds a way to live with his grief.
I would have liked more detail about snipers and their training and what it’s like to actually be in the moment as a sniper. Luttrell was great at describing BUD/s training and I was hungry for more…maybe there’s another book in his future?
May 12, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Fran
The damning moment that killed those SEALS was not when they decided to let those goat hereders go. It was when the communications equipment failed to start and connect to the satellite. Danny Dietz immediately tried to get a call off when they started taking fire and could not get it to connect. That is ludicrous that such expensive technology and it would not connect to the satellite in outer space. You know how people could talk to their loved ones who were dying on Mt Everest that year? But our SEALS could not get a call off from a mountain in the Hindu Kush. I think if Dietz had been able to get an answer, the military would’ve called in the airforce that is always circling high above in that area to bomb the hell out of and obliterate that mountain to the precise coordinates Danny would’ve given them. I don’t think all 3 of those SEALs would’ve perished had the comm equipment functioned properly.
May 13, 2009 at 7:49 am
medicatedlady
Fran, thank you so much for this post.
I think Marcus Luttrell probably sees the choice to let the goatherders go as the damning moment, maybe because it was the last time the group had a real choice in what was happening to them. After that, it went south in a hurry.
I have to say, you make great points…the more discussion there is, the more layers I see in this story. If you’ve ever read other survival stories (and Mt. Everest stories inevitably fall in here), it’s always a series of choices, misunderstandings, failed procedures/equipment, happenstance, and just what-the-hell moments that ultimately lead to the outcome. And you are right. The comm equipment was lacking and played a part in the tragedy. I think Dietz actually tried to contact headquarters as soon as the guys were compromised to let them know and get feedback. They knew the best scenario was a quick pick-up but that was made moot by no communication.
May 16, 2009 at 3:59 pm
steve 1991
This is in response to lamarj72.
Let’s see the story is these 4 Warriors are sent out by the government and 3 out of 4 of them are killed after they do what they believe is right and let some guys go.
Do not dishonor these men who are Heroes. Yes being a SEAL is dangerous but men like this are what keep you safe in your home at night. These guys are warriors that are created at birth. They die for each other with out any thought. Sorry if the truth hurts but read it and you might learn something about honor and respect.
Read the book it is an accurate account of 4 warriors going into battle to protect us from a group of people that just flat hate us. While you’re at it read “In the Company of Heroes” by Michael Durant. This man is the Black Hawk pilot that got shot down in Somalia. Two Delta Operators willing gave up their lives to save him. Men like this are special and they have no reason to lie
May 17, 2009 at 1:59 pm
poeticgrin
Steve 1991 – I don’t quite follow the logic in your response to lamarj72 – on its’ own, yes, I get your point, but I don’t see any dishonor or accusation of lies in his comment. “There’s two sides to every story” only means there’s always multiple views. There wasn’t even any endorsement of other views, just an acknowledgment that other views exist.
November 11, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Chris Reynolds
I read the book with great interest and came away so impressed with Luttrell. But then I started to think, about it, and his excuse for surviving while his friends died, I found it flimsy. Why should he listen to Matthew Axelson and go back and tell his wife, Cindy that he loved her? Yeah so what? Of course, she’s in his thoughts, what does that have to do with him and surviving? I could just visualize it when he got back, “Hi Cindy, Axe was thinking of you before he died and he told me to tell you that he loved you.” Then what? I mean come on, all he wanted to do was an excuse to save his own ass. In the military you’re the point of the spear. I think Lutrell’s was warped. Think on it, he was the only witness to what happened and therefore had the “creative” license, the book’s title “Lone Survivor” to shape it anyway he wanted to fabricate it.
November 11, 2009 at 8:06 pm
medicatedlady
Thanks for the comment, Chris. This book has stayed with me for many months now and I still think about it. It’s a complex story and one that is made even more so because Luttrell is complex. I defintely had the experience of going from being sooo over the liberal rants to being kill all the bastards to now feeling a much more balanced sense of what Luttrell was trying to say. I have no idea if what I think has any relevance to his story or your comment, so forgive me if I get off-base.
I have to say I believe Luttrell is a good person and was a dedicated soldier. My impression is that he’s told his story to the best of his ability and as close to the events as his memory allows.
I do know what you mean about the tone shifting so quickly from war scenes to dying moments–there seems to be something off about it. Rather than insincerity or misleading readers, I really think it has to do with Luttrell’s perspective more than anything. He didn’t seem comfortable sharing bonding details and his innermost thoughts/feelings, so when in the middle of battle he lets us in, it seems so surprising, it’s hard to switch gears. It seems SEALs are made of these stoic guys who seem invincible and, more importantly, inpenetrable. So that’s what makes a dying SEAL’s words seem odd…because I imagined there was no softer side. How could there be? I honestly don’t think he was fabricating Axelson’s last words or bending them to his own benefit. He loved his teammates, bottom line, and his teammates loved him (of course, it’s not verbalized but this seems clear to me). I can imagine Axelson truly wanted to urge Luttrell to live. I’m sure his wife (Cindy) was his heart. Too, Axelson was his brother’s best friend. I have no doubt it ripped them both apart to know Axelson was not going to make it.
I wonder how Luttrell’s interpretation of events has changed or will change in the future. I wish I could have a sit-down touchy-feely interview with Luttrell. What I wouldn’t give to hear the story in person and be allowed to ask for more specifics.
January 13, 2014 at 10:40 pm
Jim
Well well, always working a plan Seals didn’t have a plan to restrain 3 goat herders for a few hours? Just one more reason not to join this type outfit kids. There was a time it meant something but now it’s just a way to break a kid down to blind ignorance. If it worked, it’s because of Seal training, if it didn’t it’s because liberals messed up the plan. Next time bring a fucking rope and some extra syrettes of morphine.
February 12, 2014 at 4:29 pm
Corbin
This is in response to Greg’s comment,
Let me get this straight, you started to read Marcus Lutrell’s book and was stricken with irritation reading his “self righteous ranting” towards the beginning and you somehow then felt obligated to question him and his team’s decisions that horrifically and honorably led to their deaths?
Do you realize how incredibly selfish and egotistical that sounds? I don’t care what decisions these men made or the way they were trained, you sir, do not have the slightest intelligence of questioning any decision they made or how they made it. Oh wait a second; I forgot about all of the horrible life or death situations you’ve been in that qualify you to question their motives.
The fact that in your question numbered “3” you thought that the landing location of the Chinook Helicopter was a terrible decision that led to the deaths of 16 Special Forces was the wrong decision is probably the most irritating statement I’ve ever read. Did you ever think that the area they decided to land in might have been the only terrain available for miles for an appropriate and safe landing? Did you ever think that Michael Murphy’s phone call to alert his brothers that “seals are dying” would ignite a fire in all of the men sent to rescue and that they needed to land in an area that would allow them to reach Mikey, Danny, Axe, and Marcus in the fastest time possible. Yes, it was very risky landing in the same area they landed in days earlier, but it was a risk that had to be taken. Sadly, the risk was too much. But the fact that you are all of the sudden an expert on warfare kind of intrigues me. What degrees do you hold? What’s your experience with the military? Probably not much because if you ever questioned those SEALs motives around any military personal I would have to bet on you most certainly getting your ungrateful ass beat. If you read the book all the way through (as you stated that you did) you would clearly know that most Navy SEALs hold Bachelor degrees and Master degrees as well. Do you? You question these guy’s motives as if you have much better answers. I was very aggravated at first to hear your Self-Righteous ranting in response to Marcus’s “self righteous ranting” as you called it but now I almost see it as humorous. You acted as if Marcus was in the wrong to question the Liberal Media and where’d you put yourself? In the exact same category.
These men that have trained for years with countless hours of training to defend your right for freedom, for your right to be on that plane flight at your own will, and they do that without asking. That IS what the United States of America is all about. Oh, that’s right, you’re a South African. Well considering your interest in reading a book depicted on what brave men do to protect the United States of America, I’m going to go ahead and assume you have an American Citizenship. I understand that you don’t agree with Marcus Luttrell’s opinions upon the Liberal media and that’s fine (you have the “RIGHT” to do so), but don’t ever disrespect what Marcus and his teammates did serving our great country because of what Marcus thinks about liberals.
In your statement “None of this is intended to detract from the soldier’s efforts and sacrifices whom I have huge respect for”, I’m here to let you know that you completely “detract(ed)” the “soldier’s efforts and sacrifices”. You are an abomination to the American way and I hope you understand that clearly.
My apologies for the comment of Greg getting his “ass beat”. I suppose I went a little over the line there but being American is being proud of who you are and appreciative of what our Military does to keep us safe and free.
Cheers,
Corbin
March 2, 2014 at 7:51 am
Deeya
Hi
March 2, 2014 at 8:22 am
Deeya
Full stop please , 4 soldiers have the right to decide if the 3 herders should live or die ? put urself in this situation , u are poor , old , or just so young or a kid , just like the 3 herders , and 4 soldiers standing infront of you deciding if u live or die !!! what an incredible story that made me hate the book and the movie from the begening , don’t get me wrong ppl i would have loved to hear them saying that the herders should live because they are ( human been ) or innocent or too old and young , but why did they let them live ? so they don’t show up on cnn like war criminals by killing unarmed innocents , are you fucking serious ? ok u wanna tell me that this is a war zone ? are you more fucking serious ? Why are we there ? Why our soldiers are there ? Not to fucking save the innocents ? just that part of the book made stop thinking , NO one has the right to decide on someone’s life esspecialy if u don’t know if they innocent or not , and to decide that u can’t kill a person because u don’t wanna show up on cnn , so u showing me that u don’t give a fuck about a child’s life , and u only give a fuck about urself on cnn ? That is fucking discusting , cnn ? U can’t communicate with ur headquarters , u expecting cnn ? My 5 year old child can creat a better story than that ,how did u know that there 120 taliban in there ? if every 3 of our soldiers can kill 120 taliban then the war should be over long time ago ,i now beleive that our governement makes beleive only what they want us to beleive .
I feel sorry for our soldiers who are sent there to die for no good reason , i feel sorry for us , the american ppl who beleive our politics .
By the way they had morphine on them .
March 2, 2014 at 8:35 am
Deeya
And by the way jade , they didn’t loose their lives to save the goat herder’s , they even said that , they let them go so they don’t show up on cnn , if they let them live for a good reason i think god would have saved theirs .
March 2, 2014 at 5:36 pm
Corbin Knapp
Deeya,
You obviously didn’t read my comment in response to Greg’s. I noticed that you used the word “fuck” six times. I’m guessing to emphasize your pathetic opinion of Marcus luttrells book. At first, reading your comment was like reading a foreign language due to the fact that you misspelled every other word. So apparently your education level isn’t too high, perhaps you’re a high school drop out. I’m actually wandering why I’m wasting my time responding to your comment to point out how completely uneducated you are but it seems like you’ve already proved that with your incredible grammer and punctuation. (That was sarcasm by the way). I am glad to see you have a heart concerning the lives of three goatherders you’ve never met. I bet they would thank you after reading your response(if they can) by beheading you after a strenuous day of torture. Those goatherders were tied in with the Taliban. The Taliban would like nothing more than seeing Americans suffer. Oh but you still care for their overall well being right? You’re dang near in the same catagory as Greg. You stated that you didn’t think Afghanistan was a war zone. What in the hell do you think America has been doing over there or the past 12 or so years? Playing charades? No you complete dumbass. We have been finding and taking out terrorists that want nothing more to do than see America burn (hence the slogan WAR ON TERROR). I’m going to end my rant considering I have better things to do but I advise you keep your “fucking” opinions to yourself. You and Greg need to move in together somewhere in South Africa. Get an education please.
Cheers,
Corbin